With the two major party candidates polling with high negatives and an election season full of surprises, Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson think this could be the year where a third party makes it to the national debate stage.

“This could be a breakthrough and this could be the end of the two party system in this country. That’s a possibility in this country,” Johnson says. “The issue that exists is being in the polls. I don’t have a problem being at 15 percent to be in the debates, the issue is being in the polls. Every day you see in the media that we are presented with two choices – Clinton and Trump and whenever my name does appear in polls, which it is appearing in some polls, it’s always in a sub-poll.”

Johnson, two-term governor of New Mexico, switched from the Republican Party to run as a Libertarian candidate during the 2012 presidential election. Libertarian-ism, according to Johnson, is a mix of the best of both major parties and might be appealing to more people than they think.

“Most of the American public is libertarian is just that they don’t know it. And speaking with a broad brush stroke, libertarian is being fiscally conservative, smaller government, less taxes.

“Look, when government taxes it takes money out of your and my pocket that we could be spending on our lives,” Johnson says. “You and I should be able to make choices in our lives as long as those choices don’t adversely affect others.”

Although some view Libertarian military ideals as isolationists in a global world, Johnson says that’s not the case.

“I think our military interventions have resulted in a less safe world, not a more safe world, so let’s involve congress in a declaration of war,” Johnson says. “Make no mistake – if we are attacked, we’re going to attack back, but we’re not isolationists. We are non-interventionists. We should not be involved in other countries’ affairs.”

In 2012 when Johnson ran he received about one million votes, a little less than one percent of the popular vote. This year, RealClearPolitics polling average shows him receiving 8.6 percent of the vote, and Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump receiving 41.7 and 35.9 percent, respectively.

The Commission on Presidential Debates requires all candidates receive at least 15 percent in the national polls to make it to the debate stage, which hasn’t happened since Ross Perot in 1992. Although about 18 percent of the population voted for him that year, Perot received no votes from the Electoral College.

Check out our sit-down to hear Johnson’s view on how well his record will hold up to public scrutiny and his thoughts on what he calls Trump’s “incendiary” immigration plan. As New Mexico’s governor from 1995 to 2003, a state where 48 percent of the population is Hispanic, he says he cannot imagine how it could possibly work.

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